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Pejman:

Hi Dude, your information is SO WRONG. No wonder you are not persian nor iranian :)

Your blog is hilarious lol

First of all a lot of azeri's are mixed with persians, they are mixed and not "pure" this or that. Second of all your percentages are all wrong and descriptions, azeri's actually have light hair sometimes and coloured eyes just like some persians.

Really you have no clue what you are talking about, not that I'm trying to be rude though.

The word Iran is best described via in Farsi, the way it's written in farsi and pronounced, you should know that it does not mean "Aryan", it's eeyran which is different. Many countries are made up of many different peoples, ayran/eeyran is the coming together of tribes, there is NO country that has "pure" race or peoples, that is a myth.
take care.

Oslonor:
Yes. There are some Azeris who are mixed with Persians in Tehran. But those are considered Azeris and not Persians as they look similar to Azeris. But for the rest of Iran that is not the case. Persians and Kurds and Baloch and Turkoman are not mixed with Azeris and they are different ethnic groups in Iran. Azeris mainly live in Tehran and Azerbaijan in North West Iran. To see how Persians and Azeris look like please visit Persians and Hollywood

Comment 1:
I actually know Mr. Tehran. He is a good friend of mine from college at George Mason University in VA. His is bi-racial. His father is Iranian. I know because I have met his parents. He speaks fluent Farsi and his accent is because like many other Iraninas including myself, he was brought up in the states. Shahram and Ali are also disappointed with your choice of words. I don't know where your from, but here in Northern VA/Washington DC we don't have hate for one another. We are one country united for peace not destruction like you and Mr. Bush suggest.

Comment 2:

t is a new fashion for African-Americans to call themselves "Multi-Racial". Usually they say that they are partly white. To say they are partly "Iranian" is something very new.

4:04 PM

Anonymous said...

The Persians in Iran constitute 22% of the population of Iran, at the same time the Azeri Turks are 52% of the population of Iran. Furthermore, the persians in Iran are a mixture of Arabs, and Africans, and claim of that persians are Aryans, is a fabrication of peopole who feel inferior abut their afro-arab heritage.

6:50 PM

Anonymous said...

What is the problem with iranians about to be white or not? Why do you insist to be a white people even though it is not true, of course there are a few white iranians with blond hair, but this doenst mean that you are really a white people. Dutchman were in Brazil Northeast and you can find people looking like a nordic , but it doens mean that brazilans from that region are white just because there is some fews with blue eyes. I think the prejudice is not in hollywood, but in yourself. Look to you like really you are.

hugs...

9:25 PM

Anonymous said...

[The following is in response to the previous anonymous poster]

It amazes me to see the previous poster stating that Iranians want to be labeled as White. They don't!
How can you compare what's been stated about the Persians to the White Dutch-Brazilians?
Comparisons like this make me cringe!

By now you should know that the Persians have lived in Iran for thousands of years -- prior to any Europeans venturing out of their homelands to setup colonies.
(Iran, up to the 18th century, was something of a fairyland to the Europeans.)
Do you understand what that implies?
Let me spell it out for you. Iran's Persian population (currently under 17 million) is indigenous, and has been for thousands of years.
We are not talking about isolated groups of White offsprings in some far out land being colonized by the Dutch or any other Europeans for that matter!

In other words, Persians are the only minority in Iran that can claim their Indo-European link; none of the other minorities (Assyrians, Azeris, etc.) can do that.
Do yourself a favor, and once again take a close look at the photos of Shermine Sharivar (Miss Germany 2005), and Rudi Bakhtiar (CNN anchor).
Do they look Arab, or African to you?
Look at the Persian men in the photos. Do you see Afro, Arab, or Azeri features in them?
Fact of the matter is that they are all White, non-European, Aryan Persians.

I think part of the reason for your prejudice is due to the current political climate in the Middle-East, and partly, due to the fact that you (like millions of others) continue to erroneously equate all Iranian to Persians.

Thank God reality does not depend on your beliefs, or else entire races would vanish in a blink of an eye.

Cheers, and Hugs...(the Persian way!)

-- Ed

Kasra

I am a Persian, and I really find this thread offensive.

What the heck do you mean that Azeri Turks have a fascist agenda? Azeri Turks are Iranian just as any other Iranian.

Iran is a very multicultural nation, because the Turks, Persians, Arabs, Kurds and so on have been living in the region for centuries, and none of them had a racist ideology of not mixing with other people, so Iranians are a very mixed people.

The words Azeri, Persian and so on in Iran only refer to the language spoken. Not really ethnicity. To talk about half Azeri-half Persian is absolutely meaningless in Iran, because everybody is mixed!

If a person talks Persian, he is considered a Persian!

What the heck is Turkification? Turks have no intention of Turkification of Iran! Just because some Turks demand equal rights and right to speak and teach Turkish languages, some Racist stupid Supremacist Persians claim baseless accusations to excuse their hostility toward other minorities.

I believe that these Persians are traitors to Iran and to Persian people. We Iranians have been living for many centuries without these racist crap, and now these half-intellectual Hitleries want to start racial and ethnic enemity among us.

For what? Just because of their inferiority complexes. They think if they claim that Persians are Aryans, and different from "lower people" Turks and Arabs, then the Westerners will not treat them as Turks and Arabs!!!!!!!!!!

What the heck do you mean by Pan Turkism? There is no such thing in Iran. This is pure baseless B-S.

I don't even bother to look at your blog. What I see here stinks enough, you are just one idiot who thinks who knows a lot.

You don't see my point because you don't know anything about Iran at all. Almost every typical Iranian extended family has individuals who are Persian, Turkish, Kurdish, Gilaki, Lori and Arab speaking. If you deny this that means you know nothing about Iran. Just go to any random wedding party in Tehran and talk to people and you will find all these languages among the guests. If you don't know this fact, thats because either you are not an Iranian but somebody else who knows nothing about Iran, or you know it and deliberately distort the facts.

If Azeris are running Iran as you baselessly claim, then how is it that Azeris are not allowed to speak Azeri in Schools even in Azerbaijan?

The Islamic government as well as the Shah government both have been trying to assimilate the languages into Persian, which is absolutely wrong thing to do. And now some stupid guy comes and say Iran is run by Azeris?

Yes, and probably according to you, Russia is run by Chechens and Turkey is run by Kurds and the US is run by Mexicans too.

You are truly miserable.

1- Tehran or New York City are multicultural, multi-language, multi-ethnic societies. And there are all sorts of people living there. You agree with that.

2- A typical American usually doesn't have one ethinc origin, if you ask them most of them will say something like they are mixture of Irish,German, Native American, Italian, Swedish, Russian and so on. The same thing is correct about a typical Iranian, If you don't know, that a typical Iranian is also a mixture of Persian,Greek,Arab,Turkish,Indian,African,Mongol and so on.

3- However, unlike the US that is assimilated into one large English speaking nation, Iran is more like Canada, with different parts speaking different languages. A French speaking Canadian is not really French, and an English speaking Canadian is not really English. Turkish speaking and Persian speaking Iranians are in the same way as Canadians. They are not really ethnic groups.

4- Now your baseless and completely laughable claim is that one of these ethnic groups in Iran, that is the Azeri Turks, are trying to Turkify others too! That is an absolutely baseless claim. Azeri people are just some people living with the other people. That is all.

5- You may hate Azeris for any reason, but do you really have to make a fool of yourself by this kind of baseless stupid accusations? And insisting on it too?

6- Your idiotic accusation is an insult to Azeris and to every other Iranian. I take it as a direct attack to Iran. If you are Iranian, you are a traitor, if not, you are an enemy of this nation.

7- Go to hell you racist bastard. end of discussion.


Oslonor:
In New York, if you go to any wedding, there are chinese, Anglo Saxons, Blacks and hispanics. Does that mean that all these people belong to the same ethnic group. Certainly not. Same goes for your Tehran wedding. But what you say is different. You are saying there are no ethnic groups in Iran and Azeris, Gilakis and Persians and Kurds and Lors are the same people. They just speak different dialects. This is called Pan-Turkism. Pan Turkist use Persian as their primary language because that is the only way they can run Iran. These people have different origin and they are not the same people. The reason for this confusion is your experience is based in Tehran where there are Azeris who speak only Persian so you think they are Persians. You may have an agenda where all Iranians are a mix of Azeris but Persians, Kurds and other ethnic groups want to keep their ethnic identity and they do not want to be a half Azeri.

Sorry Iran is not US and people in Iran have kept their ethnic identity for thousands of years. Lors are really LOrs and Kurds are really Kurds and Persians are really Persians. All ethnic groups want to keep their ethnic identity. Only Azeris want to destroy ethnic identities. Most Iranians consider Azeris as an alien culture to Iran and responsible for Azeri Islamic Republic.

Humit Comments

You've certainly developed a case for racial apartheid here. Very dangerous logic indeed... So tensions in American race relations stem from racial integration? Let's take your logic seriously for a moment and apply it to the United States... How would you recommend we divide our cities and states to ensure each ethnic community can flourish in their isolation?

Non-Racism in Iran: One of the reasons that Iran is a completely non-racist society, unlike India where they have caste system or US is the structure of Iranian population. Every ethnic group lives in a separate province. Persians in South and North East and Azeris in North West. That is how every ethnic group has maintained its identity for thousands of years. The Azeri regime policies will lead to a completely racist society where people will be judged on the color of their skin and how much Persian or Azeri heritage the mixed race people will exhibit. It will reproduce the American society in Iran complete with racism and its divisions. The Azeri policies will lead to Azeris ending up as second class citizens and will promote racism against Azeris by other ethnic groups. Also most Anti-Arab propaganda by Azeris is to cover up the similarities of Azeri Turkish facial features with Arabs even though Azeris are not related to Arabs in anyway.

You're fighting on the wrong side in a world desperate to globalize. The walls between cultures are coming down and if you can't hold fast to your identity in the midst of it then I suspect your last recourse is in history books. Fighting racism is a just cause but don't use more racism to do it. The only way to defeat it is to integrate. It's not easy to do of course but the rewards are palpable. Take the U.S. for example; Americans originate from every corner of our planet. Within our communities there are subcultures that live freely, side by side with others in peace. Free to move and trade! Free to create their own communities or integrate with others but all the while, American. It is this formula that has made the United States the most able nation in the world. Why would you want to hold Iran back by advocating racial apartheid?

Alright... I took another look at your post and my comment to it and realized I broke one of my own cardinal rules. You mentioned a number of very serious problems and in my post, I didn't offer any solutions. Suggestions are part of any good discourse so the first ones need not be perfect; at least I've never held myself to such a standard. My general suggestion is for a type of federalism for Iran. What's important is that a plausable vision be created and then an agreed upon set of steps to reach such a reality.

Federalism is the theory or advocacy of federal political orders, where final authority is divided between sub-units and a center. Unlike a unitary state, sovereignty is constitutionally split between at least two territorial levels so that units at each level have final authority and can act independently of the others in some area. Citizens thus have political obligations to two authorities. The allocation of authority between the sub-unit and center may vary, typically the center has powers regarding defense and foreign policy, but sub-units may also have international roles. The sub-units may also participate in central decision-making bodies. Much recent philosophical attention is spurred by renewed political interest in federalism, coupled with empirical findings concerning the requisite and legitimate basis for stability and trust among citizens in federations. Philosophical contributions have addressed the dilemmas and opportunities facing Canada, Australia and Europe, to mention just a few areas where federal arrangements are seen as interesting solutions to accommodating differences among populations divided by ethnic or cultural cleavages yet seeking a common political order.

Now you may or may not agree with this idea but let's go through the scenario together and discuss the problems Iran would face with federalism. Obviously this is not a comprehensive list but if one were generated, a follow-up list could be created to mitigate the negative impacts of each potential problem. Take for instance, the creation of an inter-provincial cooperation committee designed specifically to coordinate inter-provincial projects.

1. Economic: Distribution of revenue from petroleum resources
2. Inter-federation trade under the Bazaar system
3. Representation: In the federal architecture how would ethnic groups be represented
4. Language maintenance vs. dominance [media and arts funding based on ethnicity]
5. Police and military integration to prevent corruption
6. Provincial favoritism [equal opportunity | affirmative action]
7. Provincial specific laws as opposed to federal laws [would Sharia still be a factor?]

These are just rough ideas but with them we can now start the kind of dialogue that could lead to the equal empowerment of Iran's populace so that the ethnic tensions you describe are less of an issue. But while I find no problem working out a basic solution to the problems you describe here, it is my experience that the majority of the inhabitants of Iran, consider themselves “Iranian”. Regardless of the province from which there people originate they do not see your issue as a central concern if they view it as a concern at all.

Oslonor: thanks for comments. People are free to marry anybody they want. But here We are dealing with a fascist regime in Tehran who uses the state to carry out racial policies. I think you are on the wrong side if you are against nazism. You can globalize as much as you want, but Persians will globalize under Persian cultural social context.

Azeri and Persian on "Persians are White?"

This is a debate between an Azeri and a Persian. Azeri wants to prove that Perisans look like Azeris and do not looke like Europeans. Then Azeri immediately go to his agenda about "Aryanization of Azeri Turks" and saying that he wants to marry a white Persian.

Azeri: The ancient Persians weren't blond Germans. This myth is propogated by white supremacists who want to believe that the creators of civilization; Greeks, Mesopotomians and Persians, were blond blued eyed noble White invaders, who over generations of interbreeding with "lesser" natives, lost their genetic purity.

Persian: Why should we care either way? Whether original persians were blue eyed blondes or sassy brunettes? Who cares what they looked like?

Azeri: cause I'm tired of all these stupid fukkin Persians who look up to the White race and white culture.

Europe became powerful because of an accident of political circumstance and geography. Europe's rise is not a testament to the inferiority of our people's race and culture. We should be proud. Persian women should NOT die their hair blond.

We come form a strong culture. Wherever Persians go in the world, they/we do well. Iran's economy under the Shah was the fastest growing in the world, at the same rate at Japan's at the time.

We are strong, and I don't like Persians selling themselves short because of false ideas about culture.

Persian: Looking up to the "white race"? Iranians are white, you genius. Where have you been all this time? Poshteh kooh?

No Iranians are not germans, but some germans may be iranians. The Aryan Migration Theory states that the Aryan tribes originated in Siberia. Around 7000 BCE they suddenly migrated. A small branch to northern europe (ancestors of the vikings) and another small branch to India, and the main group into the iranian plateu. The Persian tribe settled in the south (near Shiraz [Persepolis]) and the Median tribe settled in the north ( near Hamedan and Shush [Ectabana and Susa]). So in fact, we are racially related to the norse

Azeri: You know what I mean by "white race", I mean people with extremely white skin and brown or blond hair who are from Europe. I am using the stereotypical definition of white, not the anthropological definition.

I'm tired of Iranians thinking that 'Whites' are superior. Iranians are the most Aryan people on Earth. The original Aryans were not blond, blue haired Germans. They had light skin and dark hair, and in the sun, they tanned to a dark colour, like most modern day Iranians.

Azeri: I'll get myself a beautiful, big-breasted, soft-skinned Iranian girl to raise my children strong.

Persian: First of all, no one can know for sure what people looked like thousands of years ago. Unlike skeleton, hair and skin do not last for thousands of years. Anyone who says original Iranians had black hair with blue eyes, or blonde hair with green eyes, or red hair with brown eyes, or black hair with light skin is lying. The truth is that some of them were blonde, some of them were brunette, some had red hair, some had light skin, some had dark skin, some had blue eyes, some green, others brown and black. There are tons of Iranians right now who have light hair (especially amongst tribal people it is very common). My mom is a natural blonde (or was until she started to go gray). Most of my cousins have light hair and light eyes. I have black hair with blue eyes. Most Iranians have dark hair and dark eyes with light skin. But what does any of this prove? That they are superior or that they are inferior? You say you are tired of Iranians who think Europeans are superior and then you get to hair colour. Anyone thinks Europeans are superior because of hair colour is a dumb ass.

does anyone know donkey language?

Re: does anyone know donkey language?

From: South Azerbaijan
Date: 22 Apr 1999
Time: 19:35:42
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For the post with out name:

What is goingon you Persian jack ass are you unhappy. You Persian loser proposed a question and I responded by the way you are speaking Farabi (Farsi-Arabi) language. I don't speak you subhuman language, I am Azerbaijani Turk from Qazvin. You M. F. Persians insulting to my South Azerbaijani nation, you better except response basterd. Remember the old days passed, we South Azerbaijanis used respect you Persian, now it is just too much, it is about the time we sat you jerks in your place where belong. Over half of Iran Poplulation is South Azerbaijanis Turk, we are asking you Persians just get the fuck out out of our life before any situation like Yugoslavia happen. Remember any South Azerbaijani Turk die in the Persian hand, we will kill ten of you Persians, don't ever forget it. Already you Persians started to treatning Azerbaijani Turks in Tehran. This is just beginning of Genocide you all planing for the future on South Azerbaijanis Turks. Just recently the slogans written on walls in Tehran and slogans says "dead to Turks". You see these information won't be reported by Keyhan or Et'telaat news paper. You better believe in what I am saying. Big time is coming up baba, it is about time we South Azerbaijanis clear our case with you Persian Aryan Chauvinist Skin heads. I can't wait take the revenge of my South Azerbaijanis nations from you loser Persians. Now you go ahead call to the half of Iran population "Turk Khar". But remember when the right soon comes we will make you Persians eat your own shit. Unfortuntly, some good Persians will burn for sake of ugly Persians. But unfortuntly, that is life. We have lost a lot, we lost our language, culture, Music, leaders, country and finally our identity. All that happened because of you Persians, but soon or later we will make sure you Persians pay very very high price for all that. See you all in promiss land, hope you Persian losers have some balls to face with us (South Azerbijanis Turks).

May God Bless South Azerbaijan

Gene Expression : Razib

Iranians aren't Arabs....

One thing that many Americans (and Germans too as well[1]) find confusing is that Iran is not an Arab country. Mainstream publications have had to offer corrections for decades after mistakenly including Iran in a list of Arab nations or terming it an Arab nation. Here is the ethnic break-down in Iran: Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%.

The two big groups to note are the Azeris and the Persians. Persians obviously are the core ethnic group and Farsi is the national language[2]. Azeris though are not an oppressed minority, and I have read that they are over-represented in the power elite. Azeris are a Turkic group and their language is very close to the Turkish of Turkey proper, the main difference is that they are Shia rather than Sunni Muslims. Ethnic affiliations are to some extent fluid between such close groups like the Azeris, Turkomans and Turks, and even with more distant ones like Persians[3].

Persians often take great umbrage at being confused with Arabs. Authors like Robert Kaplan and V.S. Naipul have documented the Persian antipathy toward the Arabs, all the while espousing the Arab religion enthusiastically. It is rather understandable for reasons of history, geography and religion why Iran is bracketed into the Arab world in the minds of many.

But back to specific issues of language: Iran uses a modified Arabic script. If there was one thing that is practically possible in distancing and differentiating Iranians from Arabs, is the option of replacing Arabic script with a Roman alphabet. Tajikstan, which uses a form of Persian (Dari) as its national language has done just that[4], and Turkey's conversion to the Roman alphabet surely helped to distance their identity in the mind of Westerners from that of their former Arab subjects.

So my prediction, within two generations Iran will switch to a Roman alphabet. In fact, I would not be surprised if many non-Arab Muslim peoples switched to a Roman alphabet. Additionally the various peoples of the Indian subcontinent also might switch at some time in the future, something not difficult for certain groups who have low levels of literacy in any case.

fn1. Recently a German acquaintance introduced me to a friend (from Germany) who thought I was "Arabic," since I looked a bit (very vaguely I assume) like an Iranian friend of theirs.

fn2. Between the fall of the Sassanids around 650 and the rise of the Pahlavis in the 1920s native stock Persian speakers were never very militarily prominent. Persia was mostly ruled by Arabs, Mongols and Turkic groups.

fn3. Basically, I'm trying to say that post-French Revolution Western concepts of "nation" and "ethnic group" have less salience in this area of the world, as we learned in Afghanistan. And before Zack Latif chimes in-yes, the big chasm is between agriculturalist and nomad.

fn4. More accurately, they went from Arabic to Cyrillic to Roman.

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Iranians are in fact genetically similar to Arabs. Iranians are a Semitic people. The irony is that Iran hates Israel. There is a published article in Nature Reviews that shows Arabs and Iranians (Persians-no such people really exist-Persia ended) are genetically similar. Iranians dont even have the protoEuropean gene markers which are present in all European populations and Indians. The paper pointed out that there are varying degrees of the marker. Basques had about 90%, Greeks had about 49%, Punjabis (North Indians) had about 65%, Lebanese and Iranians showed a similar distribution of 0% however they clustered together within Arab/African markers. Iranians mistakenly claim to be Aryans to curry favour with Europeans. Europeans themselves realized Aryans are people of India and spread towards Europe. It appears that Indians settled parts of Iran or their culture was transposed on Iran and from there Iran believes itself to be Aryan. I am wondering how Iranians feel about the genetics paper stating they are actually Arab. It is humurous that Iranians 'hate' Arabs and Jews yet they are genetic cousins......if not brother. Arya | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 7:58 am | #

ARYANA IS PRESENT DAY IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN By Dr. Ariazad The lands of Iran and Afghanistan are as complex as are its people. About 200 years ago, Afghanistan became an independent nation under Ahmad Shah Durani. Iran and Afghanistan are nations that have analgous historical relationship to each other. It is amazing that some writer still debate Afghan-Iranian identity and their histories. I have spent most of my life researching the Afghan-Iranian relationship, and as a result, my research revealed that their ancestral roots were the Aryans. Furthermore, to assess unaware readers understand the relationship better, I have provided the fallowing analogy of nations that are encapsulated in a similar circumstance relevant to the Iranians and Afghans; they are England and Scotland, Germany and Austria, North Korea and South Korea, Bella Russia and Russia, Pakistan and Bangladesh with India, Sicily and Sardinia with Italy, Montenegro and Kosova with Albania, all these people share a common history and culture but hold their affinity to their territorial states. Historically, for thousands of years, Afghanistan and Iran have fallen under different groups of people. The reason for this was because both of the countries did not exist as separate nations, but was merely a geographical location on earth that people sought to prosper in. Archaeologist indicate that the first people who came to these parts of the planet where called the Aryans. They migrated from the Russian-Caucus via the Khorasan passage, a region between Northeastern Iran and western Afghanistan, approximately between the modern cities of Mashed and Balkh. Aryans spread thorough these lands and called themselfs by the cities they established. Medes, Sodganas, Bactrians, Fars etc. They spoke the same language but of different dialects. This ancient language was preserved by an Aryan priest named Zoroaster in Persian (Zardasht) in a secret book called Avesta. Modern Afghan and Iranian Persian/Farsi, Pashto, Kurdish, Baluchi all are derivatives of this language. The Persian language had three stages; Old Persian spoken by the Achmianid Dynasty, Middle Persian spoken by the Sassanian Dynasty, Modern Persian that derived from Pahlavi in Khorasan is called Dari today. Both the Iranians and Afghans share this modern Farsi language. The confusion that Iranian speak Farsi Persian and Afghans speak Dari Persian is analogously as false as to say American speak American and the British speak English, this is also true for the Australians. The truth is both Afghans and Iranians speak the same language, and I will point out where the confusion is dormant. As indicated previously the Aryans established the city called Fars approximately where modern day Isfahan is located. Here, the Aryans became politically strong establishing commerce and trade. Soon their influence reached across Aryana (Afghanistan-Iran). They became known as the Achaemenids Dynasty and because of their wealth, political Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:15 am | #

ARYANA IS PRESENT DAY IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN By Dr. Ariazad Archaeologist indicate that the first people who came to these parts of the planet where called the Aryans. They migrated from the Russian-Caucus via the Khorasan passage, a region between Northeastern Iran and western Afghanistan, approximately between the modern cities of Mashed and Balkh. Aryans spread thorough these lands and called themselfs by the cities they established. Medes, Sodganas, Bactrians, Fars etc. They spoke the same language but of different dialects. This ancient language was preserved by an Aryan priest named Zoroaster in Persian (Zardasht) in a secret book called Avesta. Modern Afghan and Iranian Persian/Farsi, Pashto, Kurdish, Baluchi all are derivatives of this language. The Persian language had three stages; Old Persian spoken by the Achmianid Dynasty, Middle Persian spoken by the Sassanian Dynasty, Modern Persian that derived from Pahlavi in Khorasan is called Dari today. Both the Iranians and Afghans share this modern Farsi language. The confusion that Iranian speak Farsi Persian and Afghans speak Dari Persian is analogously as false as to say American speak American and the British speak English, this is also true for the Australians. The truth is both Afghans and Iranians speak the same language, and I will point out where the confusion is dormant. As indicated previously the Aryans established the city called Fars approximately where modern day Isfahan is located. Here, the Aryans became politically strong establishing commerce and trade. Soon their influence reached across Aryana (Afghanistan-Iran). They became known as the Achaemenids Dynasty and because of their wealth, political structure they organized a powerful military system attracting people from all over Aryana. Darius The Great extended this influence as far as China and Northern Greece. Getting back to the main idea, the Greeks had a city state system and when a city ruled over a land mass that land mass was named after that city. Much like if you would call America Washington D.C. The Achaemenids never considered Aryana to be called after their city Fars. Like in modern day politics Fars was a capital to the land it dominated, it was a region where power was centralized. The Greeks also pronounced Fars as Persia and that is what the western world has referred to this land as. Later, the borrowed Greek culture by the Romans and from them the British Empire to Modern day United States has enhanced its use of the word thorough the succession of western civilizations. To put it in a nutshell Farsi means Persia and visa-versa. As indicated before the Persian language went through three stages. The first stage was the Achaemenid-Persians whom I briefly introduced, the second and the third stage will produce our final thoughts on this subject. The second stage of the Persian language and culture came after the fall of the Achaemenid Dynasty by Alexander the Great. Here, Greek culture and language Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:17 am | #

ARYANA IS PRESENT DAY IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN By Dr. Ariazad Here, Greek culture and language influenced the Persian language receiving many Greek loan words. After the death of Alexander, Aryana was Hellenized or (Greekized). Many factions tried to take control of this land. The land had split under three Greco-Perso ruling powers; the Selecuids, the Parthnians and the Bactrians. The Parthnians were unique in that even though they had Greek influences they held national pride in old Achaemenid traditions, in hope to rebound anther empire from Aryana. The Parthnians were successful later calling themselves the Sassianian Empire. Here is where Middle Persian/Farsi took stage. During the third stage when the Arabs arrived, they called the language Pahlavi. This was because they took control of Arayna's central power territory, the state of Khorasan also known as (Parthia). The Arabs orally pronounced Parthia as Pahlavi which is commonly used and mis-used by writers today. Parthia was the Greco-Roman pronunciation. The last stage is the invention of modern Persian/Farsi called Dari, which became the language of the kings royal courts. The Arabs had brought Persian/Farsi to a near extinction when poets concealed nationalism amongst Aryans to revive their language and culture from total Arabization. One man in particular whom brought a sense of dignity to the demoralized Aryans was Frowdosi Tossi of Khorasan. He reinvented Persian/Farsi by using Arabic letters writing a glories story about the ancient kingdoms of Aryana. This intern brought a sense of unity and nationalism revolutionizing Persian/Farsi into what is Dari-Persian/Farsi. Dari is the modern literal Persian/Farsi and has derived into several dialects. Like English, we could hear many variations from different regions. Some are close and others sound distinct. For example when you hear Australian or Jamaican you might not understand it if your from London, but it is still a literal English language. Farsi has the same properties, if your from Tehran and I am from Kabul there is a distinction in our language, but it is still literally Farsi. Persian/Farsi speaking region will have loan words from a geographically close neighboring nation. Languages like Pashto, Kurdish and Baluchi are close to Persian/Farsi but have become distinct Aryana languages of their own. These languages were all one language with Persian/Farsi during the arrival of the Aryans, but was less influenced by Persian/Farsi during its development phase in Aryana and took its own course. Theory suggests that this was because of its geographical remoteness in Aryana. In closing Dari is the new third stage of Persian/Farsi used today. When an Afghan says he is speaking Farsi he is one hundred percent correct, he is speaking Afghani-Farsi dialect and an Iranian is speaking his or her dialect, they all speak Dari-Farsi/Persian dialects. One more thing, the shah of Iran in the early 1900’s summonsed the Europeans to stop ref Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:20 am | #

ARYANA IS PRESENT DAY IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN By Dr. Ariazad One more thing, the shah of Iran in the early 1900’s summonsed the Europeans to stop referring to it as Persia and call it by its original name “Elm- A – Aryan”, which means in English “Land Of The Aryans”. Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:22 am | #

Azeri comment

HI,(Selamlar) this is the first message of mine at this forum.

I am an Azerabiajni Turk from the country now called Persia.

and Azerbaijani turks were always a subject here.

I have seen many Persians and even Turkmen friends callin Azerbaijanies as persians.

To solev this question fro myself I donated my genes to the Genographic project condacted by National geography and the results was that I have M17(Ra1) marker.

Proving that my family are related to Turkmens,Kirkizs, and Kazaks from central Asia, the butiful grasslands of Scytians, Huns and Turks.

This was a clear answer fro me about the Azerbaijani Turks and their blood line.

This marker is almost zero between Persians and olny could be founf between east persians in khorasan, who could be assimilated turks to persian culture.

I really fill happy to have a prove at least for myself that there are still

Turkish blood in Azerbaijan the land of Oguz tribes.

I love all cultures and respect them even I am fluent in Persian.But francly I hate that somebody else calls me something which I am not really.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7059&PN=1&TPN=1

Oslonor: Azeri Turks are not related to Aryan migration. All sources confirm that.

Old Norwegians Saga

An Old Norwegian Saga relating Scandinavians with Persians.

According to Ynglinga Saga, many hundreds of years after the Aesir had settled among the Vanir, Norse nobles continued to remember their venerable eastern ancestry, which was traceable to Godheim and the Great Swithiod. These lands were legendary and still held an aura of mystique and wonderment for later Norsemen, many centuries after they had migrated westward.

"To Saeming Earl Hakon the Great reckoned back his pedigree. This Swithiod they called Mannheim (literally: The home of men), but the Great Swithiod (Greater Scythia) they called Godheim; and of Godheim great wonders and novelties were related".255

It would appear that the descendants of Odin and the initial wave of immigrants lost contact with Godheim (literally “the home of the gods”) in the ancestral motherland, and after having lived a long time in Europe set out in search of it, having previously sworn that they would succeed in this mission. It was in Turkland (ie; Central Asia) that the Norseman Swegde chanced upon the very people he had been searching for. Having rediscovered Godheim and the Great Svithiod he apparently established lasting contact with the inhabitants of the region.
"Swegde took the kingdom after his father, and he made a solemn vow to seek Godheim and Odin. He went with twelve men through the world, and came to Turkland, and the Great Svithiod, where he found many of his connections".256

Earl Hakon the Great was not the only high-born one to look eastward. In the Old Norse tale Gylfaginning,257 the Swedish king Gylfi is said to have undertaken an arduous journey to Asgard (an Icelandic folk remembrance of the Persian regional governmental centre of Asagarta {sandwiched between Parthia and Medea}), where he met in consultation with the wizard-gods, who, the Christian Snorri tells us, “deceived him” with their tales of the world’s origins and its coming end. There the king learned many other things that proved to be the basis for Norse pagan beliefs. As you have already seen, the epic of Ragnarok was probably one such teaching. Here Snorri’s pen appears to have faithfully recorded Gylfi’s unforgettable adventure, preserving for us profound Norse remembrances of the divine wizards of Asia Minor.
Additional relevant details are found noted in a 13th Century Icelandic tract, which allow us to specifically identify the wizards as Magi, for it was said that - “Magon reigned over parts of the Great Svithiod, but Madia over Kylfingaland, which we call Gardariki (Rus’)”.258 This account intimates that the Svithiod was ruled by a Magus, with the best part of the Medes, the original tribe of the Magi, serving as temporal lords over ancient Russia, having left Iran at some point in ages past.

Are Americans white?

are Americans white ???????
or are there White Americans ??????
Similarly there are White Iranians !!!!!!
Too tough for you to understand ?????

Iran is not a single-ethnic group nation, it consists of different ethnicities of whom a significant minority is still white.

Both Afgan and Iran were attacked subsequently by the Turks, Arabs, Huns, Scythians/Saka (an indo-european tribe), and other medieval tribes but since a tribal system was/is maintained intermixture was generally to the minimum and people generally confined themselves to their tribes & regions. Thus till today you can see ethnicities in those lands changing with the regions.